This came in the email from someone who declared themselves an AOC employee.
JC/AOC’s 285 management rules of acquisition
1. Once you have trial court money, you never give it back.
2. The best deal is the one that brings the most kickbacks.
3. When using taxpayer money, always pay more than you have to.
4. Don’t forget to collect your kickback.
5. If you can’t break a contract, bend it.
6. Never allow ethics to stand in the way of opportunity.
7. Keep your ears open.
8. Small print leads to large taxpayer expense.
9. Opportunity plus instinct equals profit.
10. Greed is eternal.
11. Coins aren’t the only thing that shines.
12. Any courthouse worth selling is worth selling twice.
13. Anything worth doing is worth doing for money.
14. Anything stolen is pure profit.
15. Acting stupid is often smart.
16. A deal is a deal…until a better one comes along.
17. A contract is a contract is a contract…but only between unlicensed contractors
18. A councilmember without profit is no councilmember at all.
19. Satisfaction is not guaranteed.
20. When legislators are sweating, turn up the heat.
21. Never place friendship above profit.
22. A wise man can hear profit in the wind.
23. Nothing is more important than your health, except for your money.
24. Money can’t buy happiness, but you can sure have a blast renting it.
25. You can’t make a deal if you’re dead or unemployed.
27. There’s nothing more dangerous than an honest employee.
31. Never insult a councilmembers mother…insult something he cares about instead.
33. It never hurts to suck up to the boss.
34. War is good for business.
35. Peace is good for business.
40. They can touch your spending reports, but never your Money.
41. Profit is its own reward.
44. Never confuse wisdom with luck.
45. Expand or die
47. Never trust a man wearing a better suit than your own.
48. The bigger the smile, the sharper the knife.
52. Never ask when you can take.
57. Corrupt employees are as rare as Gold–treasure them.
58. There is no substitute for success.
59. Free advice is seldom cheap.
60. Keep your lies consistent.
62. The riskier the road, the greater the profit.
65. Win or lose, there’s always the crack pipe.
69. When she discusses a raise for “favors”, take her up on it.
74. Knowledge equals profit.
75. Home is where the heart is…but the stars are made of cash.
76. Every once in a while, declare that all is well….it confuses the hell out of your enemies.
79. Beware of the citizens greed for knowledge.
82. The flimsier the product, the higher the price.
85. Never let the legislature know what you’re thinking.
89. Ask not what kickbacks can do for you, but what you can do for your kickbacks.
94. Ethics and finances don’t mix.
95. Expand the AOC…or die.
97. Enough…is never enough.
98. Every man has his price.
99. Trust is the biggest liability of all.
102. Nature decays, but diamonds are forever.
103. Sleep can interfere with opportunity.
104. Faith moves mountains…of taxpayer funds.
106. There is no honor in keeping trial courts staffed.
109. Dignity, ethics and an empty bank account…is worth the empty bank account.
111. Treat people in your debt like family…exploit them.
112. Never have sex with the boss’s sister.
113. Always have sex with the boss.
121. Everything is for sale, even friendship.
123. Even a blind man can recognize the glow of cash.
125. You can’t make a deal if you’re dead.
139. Employees serve, leadership inherits.
141. Only fools pay their expenses.
144. There’s nothing wrong with charity…as long as it winds up in your pocket.
162. Even in the worst of times, someone gets a kickback.
168. Whisper your way to success.
177. Know your enemies…but do business with them always.
181. Not even dishonesty can tarnish the shine of profit.
189. Let others keep their reputation…you keep their money.
190. Hear all, trust nothing.
192. Never cheat a judge…unless you can get away with it.
194. It’s always good business to know your customers before they walk in the door.
202. The justification for profit is profit.
203. New employees are like razor-toothed greeworms. They can be succulent, but sometimes they bite back.
208. Sometimes the only thing more dangerous than a question is an answer.
211. Employees are the rungs on the ladder of success. Don’t hesitate to step on them.
214. Never begin a business negotiation on an empty stomach.
217. You can’t free a fish from water.
218. Always know what you’re buying.
223. Beware the man who doesn’t make time for accepting a bribe.
229. Money lasts longer than lust.
236. You can’t buy fate.
239. Never be afraid to mislabel a product.
242. More is good…all is better.
255. A smart accountant a necessity.
261. A wealthy man can afford anything except a conscience.
263. Never allow doubt to tarnish your lust for Money.
266. When in doubt, lie.
284. Deep down, everyone’s corrupt.
285. No good deed ever goes unpunished.
Judicial Council Watcher 
Wendy Darling
October 6, 2012
Sounds like the policies and procedures handbook for current judicial branch administration.
Long live the ACJ.
unionman575
October 6, 2012
Yep
wearyant
October 6, 2012
Was the 285 points found on a soiled, crumpled up piece of paper left behind in ronO’s or billV’s desk?
Wendy Darling
October 6, 2012
Close, but no cigar, Ant. As evidenced by the last 22 months, more than likely it was left neatly typed out on 8 x 11 white paper, and left in plain view on Ron George’s desk for his incoming, hand-picked, replacement.
Long live the ACJ.
wearyant
October 6, 2012
Rule 63. All grants are good and should all be sought.
Rule 64. Employees must be trained with public funds to seek after all grants.
Rule 66. Funds from grants may come with strings attached, but no worries, none of it is our money.
wearyant
October 6, 2012
73. When asked an unwanted, probing question, deny, deny, deny. If this doesn’t make the questioner disappear, obfuscate, obliviate and bloviate.
Lando
October 7, 2012
As courthouses close and trial employees get laid off, all up and down the state, we hear nothing from the Chief Justice . Where has our branch ” leadership” gone? It seems like the Chief has set up Justice Miller to be the spokesperson for their mythical reform and Justice Hull to play the role of suppressing dissent, but where did the Chief go? Leadership is not easy particularly in bad economic times. I am respectfully asking this Chief to start on her own path. Please forget protecting Ronald George’s vision. Thank and excuse Ms Jay and Justice Hull Admit your mistakes. People respect when our leaders admit they made a mistake. Open the branch to democratic reform and allow more voices to be heard. Engage in a real conversation with all judges , CJA, ACJ alike. Why not write to every judge who responded to the SEC report and offer to meet with them to get their further input ? Why not add another 2 additional CJA members and 2 Alliance members to the Judicial Council? The Judicial Council will ultimately be reformed. Why not be a leader with your own vision and make that necessary change so the branch can move forward in a positive way. All of us who care about the branch are waiting.
Curious
October 7, 2012
It’s been over two years since the current Chief was tagged for her elevation. It is astounding to me that she has never, in all that time, stepped forward to reveal her vision for the branch. Instead, she has been reactive–often precipitously so–, petulant, recalcitrant, and wholly stubborn in her desire to maintain centralized power, even at the cost of great damage to the 58 trial courts. Leadership? Not evident to me.
Jacky Ludwig
October 7, 2012
286. And above all never fall in love…
courtflea
October 7, 2012
Great list so true. Here are my additions:
Rule 304: earn interest on every cent of trial court funding
Rule 305: hang on to grant funding as long as possible and make the trial courts beg for their reimbursements
Rule 299: the bigger the binder the greater the chance they will give up and not read it.
Rule 341: make the rules but don’t play by them
Rule 333: laws are for suckers
Rule 315: you can never be too rich or too thin
Rule 378: the only good judge is a quiet judge
Rule 355: tricks are not just for kids
Rule 357: serve kool aid at all working group and committee meetings
Rule 666: the AOC IS the judicial branch
unionman575
October 7, 2012
A Steve Nash “Money Man” news flash from San Bernardino Superior…
http://www.sbsun.com/ci_21719456/dire-forecast-set-san-bernardino-county-court-costs
Dire forecast set for San Bernardino County court costs
Lori Fowler, Staff Writer
Posted: 10/07/2012 07:06:17 AM PDT
By the end of the fiscal year, the reserves for the San Bernardino Superior Court system will have plunged from $32.8 million to $8.2 million.
And it will get worse.
Come June 30, 2014, the reserve fund will be close to $800,000.
“That cap is just too little,” said Stephen Nash, the county’s Superior Court executive officer. “That would not be enough to get us through a month of payroll.”
The disappearing reserves fund – also know as a “rainy day” account – has been attributed to two different factors: forced reductions and new state laws.
The state Legislature and Judicial Council required courts to pay for their operations out of their reserves for one year, Nash said.
“We were already using our reserves to offset some of the cuts we had,” he said. “But this year they reached in and took a big chunk of our reserves.”
Reductions in future funds come from a new state law that says courts cannot have more than 1 percent of their state allocation for their reserves come July 2014.
This is a stark contrast from just three years ago when county courts had $45.6 million in reserves.
And an even bigger difference than the mid-2000s, when there was additional revenue flowing in and the county courts were able to save.
“They were very prudent and careful,” Nash said.
“They didn’t go out and hire people. They set aside money for a rainy day and now it’s pouring.”
Ideas
Judge Marsha Slough, who was promoted to presiding judge of the Superior Court of San
Bernardino County on Sept. 1, is tasked with finding ways to save money.
One proposal is implementing expedited trials strictly for civil cases, which would consist of a one-day trial, an eight-person jury panel instead of 12, and some waived post-trial motions and rights to appeal.
“Anytime you shorten your time frame of a trial, you are saving time to allow another case to be processed,” Slough said. “The more efficiently you can get cases processed through the system, the better chance you have of getting out of your backlog.”
In the appropriate case, she said, expedited trials could be an efficient way for resolving a trial.
“For cases like slip and falls, rear-ends and motorcycle collisions – they could take four to five days,” Civil Court Judge Joseph Brisco said.
“It can take half a day to a full day to pick jury – that’s one day wasted. Opening statements take an hour each, lawyers call a number of witnesses … ”
Brisco, who is in favor of the idea, has conducted one expedited trial in the past couple of years.
“The response has been lukewarm at best,” he said. “But it is a money-saving device and it saves time for courts. It frees up more for the trial.”
Another idea, already implemented in neighboring county court systems like Los Angeles and San Diego, is cutting court reporters – stenographers – from civil trials.
“I rely on my court reporter a lot,” Brisco said. “I hope that day never comes (for San Bernardino County).”
The flying fingers of court-employed stenographers are being stilled in many California civil courtrooms as budget cuts force layoffs that could cost litigants extra money to hire private services.
The absence of the familiar figures typing rapidly on little machines is being felt in courthouses throughout the state. It doesn’t affect criminal cases, which require a written record, but could have a big impact on civil lawsuits.
Plaintiffs in business lawsuits or personal injury complaints may have to fork over thousands of dollars to hire private court reporters or risk having no written transcript, making an appeal impossible.
In many of the new cases being filed, the plaintiffs will be responsible for hiring their own court reporters if they want a record of the trial.
In complex long-term cases, parties might agree to split the costs in order to ensure a record for appeal.
Slough is against the idea and San Bernardino County civil trials will not immediately be effected by courts reporter layoffs.
“In a perfect world, they would not be taken out,” she said, adding that the new process could create a class system in civil litigation.
“If we can avoid it, I would like to.”
But if the cuts don’t come from civil court reporters, where would they come from?
Slough talked about the potential of further cuts to both courtrooms and courthouses, and addressing reduced payroll costs and furloughs with employees.
But nothing is set in stone and officials admit they have to take a multifaceted approach to resolving their issue.
“We know what our problems are, we just don’t know how to solve them,” Brisco said.
What they’ve been doing
Court officials have already identified a number of cost-saving solutions.
A hard-hiring freeze has been in place for a long time, Nash said. The Chino courthouse will close its doors as of Jan. 1 and a reduction in hours has been implemented at the Needles courthouse.
Cutback in hours for countywide clerk’s offices will take effect come the new year, as will court administration reductions.
And they are now charging for some services that have been free in the past. They are also putting certain information online instead of providing hard copies.
Despite all of the cuts and changes, personal injury and business litigator David Ricks recently said San Bernardino County is one of the best counties to practice in.
“There’s two reasons – I think the judges here treat us as attorneys very well and attorneys in this community – the greater Inland Empire – are really nice people. I don’t think we have that mentality of `let’s beat the crap out of each other.’ It’s more `let’s try to find a solution.”‘
But most importantly, the Rancho Cucamonga-based attorney is impressed with the amount of cases attorneys and judges are able to resolve in these tough times.
“This county handles so many cases so effectively,” Ricks said. “It has the most cases per judicial officer of all counties in state of California.”
unionman575
October 7, 2012
https://careers.jud.ca.gov/psc/recruit1/EMPLOYEE/PSFT_HR/c/HRS_HRAM.HRS_CE.GBL?FolderPath=PORTAL_ROOT_OBJECT.HC_HRS_CE_GBL2&IsFolder=false&IgnoreParamTempl=FolderPath%2cIsFolder&
unionman575
October 8, 2012
And now a word from “Hot Rod” in San Diego Superior…
http://www.nctimes.com/news/local/sdcounty/court-cash-poor-system-pays-judges-yearly-car-allowance/article_da8cce7b-4bda-5594-9ab4-38306f042760.html
COURT: Cash-poor system pays judges $8,000 yearly car allowance
• By TERI FIGUEROA tfigueroa@nctimes.com
As cash-poor local courts are closing courtrooms and slashing service hours and jobs for rank-and-file employees, the judges and administrators who run the courts received car allowances worth nearly $1 million last year.
The allowance comes to about $8,000 each year for each judge, and comes on top of their nearly $179,000 annual base pay. Court officials confirmed the numbers, which San Diego CityBeat first reported Wednesday.
Calling the money a car allowance is a misnomer, because that allowance has evolved to become part of the pay and compensation package for local judges, said Michael Roddy, the executive director of San Diego Superior Court.
“To cut it is to cut compensation” for judges, Roddy said.
Rank-and-file San Diego Superior Court employees are already looking at cuts in their paychecks. Within the last few months, court officials closed courtrooms, reduced hours and slashed jobs.
By July, when the next fiscal year starts, 20 courtrooms will have closed and about 240 staffers —- about 17 percent of the local court’s 1,400 employees —- will be gone. Those remaining on staff will be furloughed a total of 24 days over the next 21 months.
Employees who take furloughs will get time off in exchange for less pay. The court is not in a position to reduce the hours of the judges, Roddy said.
Roddy said the committee of judges that reviewed the budget issues looked at cutting their car allowance, but decided against it, and the issue was not put out for review by all 126 judges of the San Diego Superior Court.
The allowance is $572 each month for some judges, while others receive $674 each month. The allowance goes to each of the court’s 126 judges, according to information provided by the court. Last year, the car allowance for the judges added up to a little more than $903,000.
If the judges had voted to cut the allowance, that money would have gone back into the court’s general fund, which is already stretched thin.
In the fiscal year that started July 1, state officials cut $33 million, or 17 percent, from revenues to San Diego County’s court system, which had a $190 million budget last year. Under a state mandate, the county’s courts must spend their $22 million reserve, thus the overall spending cut this year is projected at $11 million, or 5.8 percent.
Next year, Roddy said, San Diego court officials face the same 17 percent revenue cut, with no reserves to help. Officials say courtroom closures, layoffs, furloughs and service cuts are required to operate the court system on a $157 million budget next year.
To save money, officials earlier this month shut down Vista’s probate court and Ramona’s small courthouse. They also closed court business offices at noon each Friday, and opened the business office counter in Vista’s traffic court an hour later each weekday, at 8:30 a.m.
By next summer, local court officials said they plan to shut down small-claims offices and courtrooms in all branch courts, including Vista.
The court will also stop supplying stenographic reporters —- the people who take verbatim notes of proceedings —- in civil and probate courtrooms. Earlier this month, court administrators told the North County Times that the courts will save about $6 million by slashing a third of the 120 or so of its court reporter jobs.
The belt-tightening has not affected the salaries of judges. A judge’s base pay of $178,789 is a uniform amount set by the state.
The only thing San Diego County courts control with regard to the judges’ salaries is the car allowance, as in the larger court systems across the state.
Judges in California’s larger courts, such as Los Angeles, San Diego and Orange counties, receive supplemental benefits. Counties with smaller courts, such as Inyo and Alpine counties, do not offer such benefits, according to a 2009 report from the Judicial Council, which sets policy for the Superior Courts in California’s 58 counties.
Los Angeles has the largest court system in the state. San Diego has the second largest.
About 90 percent of the state’s Superior Court judges work in counties that offer supplemental benefits to the judges, according to the Judicial Council report. The disparity among judges from county to county ranges from no supplemental benefits to a supplemental package worth approximately $50,000 a year, the report states.
In San Diego, the allowance has been around since 1988 and was begun by the county at a time when judges based out of downtown San Diego often had to drive to outlying branch courts. When superior and municipal courts merged in 1998, the allowance remained, and the local courts picked up the bill.
Call staff writer Teri Figueroa at 760-740-5442. Follow her on Twitter @TeriFigueroaNCT.
Phreedom
October 8, 2012
Isn’t it clear to everyone yet what is really broken. The problem is us. We consent to the fantasy of legislature having the ability regulate men and women through code that they can just think up and present for enactment. This is insanity. Representatives are there to re-present the people presentments for the regulation of government and commerce not for regulating people. Common Law is for settling disputes and processing justice for criminals not code. Our courts are being destroyed because of one simple statement in Organic Law that has failed to be recognized and implemented to its strict proper form:
“That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed”
We all stand equal before the law this means we hold equal liability for our actions whether as an accuser or as the accused. Somewhere we completely failed to fully understand that the powers of justice, aka just powers, are derived directly from the consent of the governed NOT the government. This means every single criminal case, enforcement action, or any lawful intervention in someone’s life whatsoever requires consent from someone who stands in equal liability. The government is not equal to a full liability man or woman because it is fiction who’s employees’ are bound to presume innocence of all first. This means to presume that there is no contractual bounds whatsoever that any entity has any form of obligations whatsoever. It does not mean that government is to presume that someone is bound by some arbitrary rule or code it means that a valid cause of action by an accuser accepting full liability for the accusation must be proven and demonstrated to those sworn to protect the people.
The government does not claim any liability and does not hold the power to initiate the process of justice. This is the point of failure of our courts because all of the unlawful mathematically gauranteed to fail debt currency being sucked into the blackhole of bureaucracy is from the criminal cases not have a full liability man or woman as the plaintiff who has initiated the powers of justice. This has exploded our jails bogged down our courts with petty issues of “criminal infractions” and victimless crimes. It has made the government employees in breach of contractual duty to the people by forcing us to give up our privacy to get state issued identity and give direct access to our private affairs to the government, who is suppose to protect our privacy, it has eliminated access to juries to bring these criminal bureaucrats to justice, trained multiple generations that remedy comes through propositions in the nightmare of democratic mob rule thus further degrading our form of law, made people believe that they are required to pay for all this insitutionalized crime by those who claim immunity from any liability and allowed the government to use unlawful debt currency printed out of thin air to expand its tyranny over the people all while blalantly violated article 1 section 10 of the US Constitution. This situation has gotten so bad that even the simplest questions I ask to judges, commisioners, Clerks, Magistrates, and other “court” and “law enforcement” bureaucrats can’t or won’t answer, questions such as:
Is this a court of law? Clerk response: You will have to ask our attorney.
What is the legal status of the State of California, is it the same entity under and bound by article 1 section 10 of the Limits on States section of the US Constitution? Commissioner – I don’t know.
Who is the Accuser? Commisioner- You are. I- I am not accusing myself of anything and if you are saying I am well I drop the charges. Commissioner – I don’t have time for this.
What is tender in the proposed debt or fine? Commisioner – I am not going to answer your question. Which of the 14 different State of California entities listed on Dun and Bradstreet are you actually under the capacity of in this Court? Commisioner- Does that mean we get more electoral votes.
This is just a tiny sample of a large voluminous set of questions I am asking in the court and the situations would be comedy if I was not actually being injured in the process by having my time taken by these tyrannical thugs. It is the theatre of the absurd and it all based on the fact that the government is there to serve us not to control or regulate us and that powers justice only come from the people who choose to consent to its application. This is the point where we have failed and until this point of Natural Law is remedied our system will continue to devolve into a tyrannical nightmare that will make Nazi Germany look like a sunday school playground.
Even this group here on JCW seems to not get this very simple fact that the powers of justice are derived from the consent of the governed not the government. There would be plenty of time and resources available if the people where completely free and in the authority of the execution of the powers of justice. If we returned to this level of freedom and actually live within the laws of nature and Organic Law then the efficiencies that would be realized from every aspect of our society would enable us to thrive to unimaginable levels. BUT bureaucrats seem to think we need a nanny state to protect us from ourselves and wrongfully think they know what’s best.
The good news is that those of us who experienced the awakening know full well that the courts and the entire system is ultimately bound by the laws of nature including the law of time. This law will enable the people to simply ask questions until the crats run out of time and the system breaks completely. We have done the math and calculated exactly the number of people for total failure but let it be known that our intent is not to bring the system done but only to bring justice to criminals and those in Breach of Duty and ultimately to have peace and sanity restored. Injustice will not be tolerated any more and we the people are going to throw you off and we will have no sympathy for those feeling the pain of unemployment and possibly prison for the war crimes and autrocities you have inflicted upon the people. We are setting the bar back to the letter of the law. Powers of Justice are derived from the consent of the governed not the governement, period! If you are a good judge in the court and you hear this challenge, take the time to explore it thoroughly and if your logic cannot answer every question and every counter challenge of logic then use this weight of facts to set the precedent that the court has no jurisdictoin when there is no plaintiff of the governed. This is what needs to be done and we the people who are awakened to this fact know none of you can supersede this logic because it is derived directly from the laws of nature, we seek those who are willing to humble themselves before the knowledge of the universe and recognize everyone’s equal right to be to defend against only valid accusations that actually have an accuser that is accepting liability for the accusations they make against another.
We the People seek you good judges who can simply humble yourself before the logic of law to solidify this precendent in case law and exercise your duty to the people. We are watching you and thoroughly documenting those who will not abide by the duty they are paid to do and we will be seeking justice against you. If the system does not bring you to justice then your crimes and lack of justice will be the very things that will be used to bring this entire nightmare hellish system down.
courtflea
October 9, 2012
Huh???
wearyant
October 9, 2012
My thought exactly, Flea. Thanks for posting it.
L. A. Observer
October 9, 2012
Ah yes. A sample of the type of confrontational logic which judges are enduring everyday by some internet trained constitutionalist pro per litigants, usually with an exasperated smile while trying to not drown under an ever burdensome calendar.
Phreedom
October 10, 2012
The system has failed and the only ones to blame are those who have been “trained” in our law schools and now run the system. This failure is due to the training recieved by those who went to law school to learn “law”. Law is derived and must be congruent within the laws of nature to be applicable. We the People know you are overloaded in your courts and we know it is because you do not even understand the very basics of law itself because you were told what law is instead of evaluating the logic of nature to see how it all fits together and then conclude based on actually well evaluated facts instead of training. Those running our courts are not operating within the laws of nature and you will find this out soon enough. The crats use a fiat currency that is mathematically guaranteed to fail and mathematically guaranteed to transfer all wealth to the owners of the private Federal Reserve. This is a mathematical fact of nature not an opinion or training. The crats have their binding contractual duty under Article 1 Section 10 “No State shall make anything but gold and silver coin a tender in the payment of debts”, the judges and crats violate this binding contractual duty everyday all the time and use violent force to force the use of a private bank’s debt note. This is treason. You can dive into your ego all you want but the fact remains that the system has failed because people do not what the law is, where it comes from or how works. Maybe the people on here think you are the good guys but did you ever consider that you are being manipulated for vital intel by the very enemies who will destroy you? Something to consider especially if you act without knowing what the hell is actually going on. Your ego may decieve you if you do not turn to nature to provide the logic all the way to its end instead of just being told what is.
Michael Paul
October 10, 2012
Wow. I hope court employees and judges really don’t have to listen to that presented as a defense or a reason someone should not be held accountable Phreedom. I have nothing to do with the legal profession in any capacity.
Correct me if I am wrong….natural law theory holds that morality is a function of human nature and reason can discover valid moral principles by looking at the nature of humanity in society.
You could use that to justify any act you chose to. Me? I prefer to live my life as a member of a productive society that has derived law not as a matter of nature but as a matter of societal norms and standards. While I might not agree with them, they’re still societal norms and standards for those who coexist around others.
Now if you’re talking about decamping california for a Kazynskiesque lifestyle in a small cabin in the back woods of Montana your law works fine. Come visit my town and I would prefer you abide by statutes derived from decisions made by a civil society.
Wendy Darling
October 10, 2012
Any law, whether derived by “natural law theory” or “by statutes derived from decisions made by a civil society,” is meaningless when selectively applied to some, while others are gifted with being selectively exempted.
The most stellar current example being 455 Golden Gate Avenue, and current judicial branch administration.
Long live the ACJ.
Michael Paul
October 10, 2012
There’s that also…
Michael Paul
October 10, 2012
correction: While I might not agree with ALL OF them, they’re still societal norms and standards for those who coexist around others.